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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic Zone

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episode number 452 for the 18th of June

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2017 Richardson is here with you from

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Sydney Australia it's a nice word but

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I'm under the weather I'm under the nice

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weather actually there's a cloud hanging

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over me yes I caught a cold or a flu or

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not a flu an infection II sort of cold

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II sort of chesty sort of generally

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unpleasant sort of thing but luckily I

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was able to do some recording for the

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skeptics and earlier in the week before

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I felt not so good so if I sound a

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little bit under the weather now he'll

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understand why but never mind what's

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coming up on this week's episode of the

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skeptic zone we're going to have a story

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getting off of the story about a good

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friend of ours dr. Ken Harvey who just

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received an honor in the Queen's

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Birthday Honours List good on you can

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find out what that honour is and why I

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escaped I could get an honor are coming

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up to start the skeptic zone following

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that it's brouhaha science from

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Australia science TV this week with

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Casey Harrigan who we interviewed a

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couple of weeks ago on the sceptic zone

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this week Casey's going to be looking at

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alcohol I don't think I would want to

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drink right now maybe when I get better

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brouhaha science coming up a bit later

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on then we have a segment from my

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late-night radio appearances here in

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Australia with Mike Williams this one

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dates back a few weeks but I had a lot

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of positive comment on this when people

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heard it online or listened to it live

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so I thought I would replay it on the

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skeptic zone this is me chatting about

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cold reading and it comes up it's funny

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how often cold reading comes up largely

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because it is the it is the the tag the

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hook it is the the end process of many

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things from astrology to palmistry to

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face reading even in in certain health

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situations it's amazing how often Col

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techniques come up so my chat to Mike

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Williams taken from the radio all about

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cold reading then de round off the show

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it's Susan go back from guerrilla

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skepticism on Wikipedia Susan's going to

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be she's on a road trip she starts off a

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report driving through California she's

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going to tell us about some of the

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highlights of the recent skeptical

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meeting in California

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Guerra skeptics got together for a one

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day convention but she's actually on her

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way to the premier of principles of

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curiosity the new skeptical mile

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critical thinking documentary and she

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interviews some of the people who are at

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the premiere to see what they think of

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principles of curiosity I've had a look

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at this movie myself Brian Dunning has

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done a wonderful job and of course all

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the people he worked with the other

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people involved in production and

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writing and so on and our particular

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mention to Lee Sanders who did the music

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and you'll hear some of them or hear

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some of the music now in fact

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glorious rich music Lee Sanders does

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lots of award-winning music for TV in

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California so something look forward to

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principles of curiosity see what the

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audience think to round off the skeptic

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zone I'm not going to talk much longer

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because I've got to get better very

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quickly tomorrow I'm on a flight to San

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Francisco oh boy I wonder what medicine

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I can take hmm well I won't I won't dare

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talk much longer in fact I'll talk long

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enough to tell you I'm going to run

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downstairs and have some chicken soup

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just chicken soup chicken soup chicken

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soup an oldie would agree ah well I do

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that and try to get better I hope you

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enjoy the skeptic zone

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once again we head to the website of

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Australian skeptic skeptics dot-com

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today you where we read report by Tim

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Mendham published on the 14th of June

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2017 Queen's Birthday honor for Ken

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Harvey dr. Ken Harvey one of Australia's

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leading campaigners against pseudo

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medicine has been honoured with a member

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a M in the general Division of the Order

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of Australia in the recent Queen's

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Birthday Honours List

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Harvey is well known to skeptics for his

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ongoing battle both through and with the

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Therapeutic Goods Administration over

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claims made by altmed companies in their

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advertising and promotional materials

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his complaints have all been upheld upon

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investigation the birthday honor was

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given quote for a significant service to

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community health and the pharmaceutical

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industry through roles in developing

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guidelines for the ethical use of

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antibiotics and quote Harvey told

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Australian doctor quote it's a touch

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my colleagues would be surprised to hear

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that I made a contribution to the

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pharmaceutical industry in quote the

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industry itself has described him as an

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agitator at AG he readily accepted along

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with choice magazine describing him

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positively as a quote serial complainer

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and quote Harvey is a previous winner of

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several awards from Australian skeptics

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including the Thor net award for

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promotion of reason in 2011 life

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membership in 2013 and joint winner with

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Mal Vickers of skeptic of the Year in

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choice named Harvey it's consumer

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champion for 2012 and he was also the

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recipient of a 2016 and

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medal for the Australian and New Zealand

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Association for the Advancement of

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science the medal is awarded annually

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for services for the Advancement of

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company took him to court in a slap suit

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because of his strong criticism of the

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product through the TJ's complaint

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resolution panel Australian skeptics Inc

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to cover his legal expenses he won the

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adjunct associate professor in Latrobe

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University School of Public Health over

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a proposed deal between the University

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public health and preventive medicine at

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Monash University for the a.m. he has

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been honoured for his leading role in

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improving antibiotic prescribing in

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produced what party describes as a quote

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you have made a difference and

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and congratulations indeed dr. Ken

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Harvey one of australia's tireless

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campaigners for science and reason and

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that story comes to us from the

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guys I just had the most amazing

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experience

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to the pub I told you not to hang out

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with mash you know he was blessed by

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peter Popoff no Yellin I'm not talking

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about psychics it was a really SP

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experience now you have been to the pub

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either that or you've been smoking

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no punters the ESB is the European

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and now direct from the cafe at

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Australia's Science Channel

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it's brouhaha with Casey Harrigan Cheers

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the time and sponsor doesn't matter

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where you are there's nothing quite like

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a cleansing out but too much alcohol

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right wasn't red wine good for us just a

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constantly changing their minds but

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studies can seem to contradict each

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too big zoom in to the heart and glass

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of wine might be helpful meanwhile over

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in your brain new white matters at risk

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this particular study was observational

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further research to actually show cause

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and effect but when I was looking into

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I found a lot more studies showing

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negative effects of drinking on our

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bodies and society there might be some

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pros but there are an awful lot of cons

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for more brouhaha and Australian science

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ed 4ww Australia science TV today dr.

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Karl Karl Christmas he's proud to be

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skeptic and you can find out more about

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me at dr. Karl calm and get lots of free

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stuff there as well

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welcome back everyone great to have your

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company wherever you may be listening to

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the program you're with Mike Williams

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right across the Macquarie media

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once again for our work week end reality

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through the the eyes and research of

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morning Mike hello again and same to you

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reading I mean this has got nothing to

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do with Goldilocks is it not well I've

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got to wonder ok now many people who

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talk to us who come to us or wonder

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about us have gone themselves to visit a

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psychic more harm reader or someone who

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does the carrot the tarot cards or an

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astrologer yeah there's also something

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called face reading

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there's tea leaf reading copy reading

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the list goes on and on and on but when

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we boil it down and see what's really

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going on in the bar the majority of

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cases are what's going on to something

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called cold reading this is a

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psychological process which means that

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somebody appears to read you cold in

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other words cold you're just off the

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street you've never met them before and

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yet somebody a psychic or whatever can

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appear to know all sorts of things about

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you so there is a bit of an art in this

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obviously from experience and just by

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doing it over and over again people can

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get into this mode and sort of catch you

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off guard or look at you and say blah

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blah blah and you go oh how did you know

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that exactly and what we must remember

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is that there are basically two types of

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people who go to see psychics the first

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type of people who already believe in

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the psychic they're going to see was a

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narrow card reader or the astrologer

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it's an interesting point you make yeah

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so they're they're sold this sold

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straightaway and what they will do in a

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reading is

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they will help the the psychic they will

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bend the psychic words to make them fit

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they will answer questions to make it

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very real for them because they already

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believe the second type of people who go

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to see psychics are people like me for

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research purposes and I know the

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psychological interplay which is going

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on and I think a couple of weeks ago

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we're talking about spoon bending when

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you know how spoon bending the trick

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works and you see it you're not that

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impressed because you know you know what

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what's really happening well it's the

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same with this this psychic reading

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whenever I see it since I know the

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psychology behind it and and how

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powerful the words can be I can be

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interested in it and I can give psychics

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full marks for using interesting

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techniques but I'm certainly not swayed

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or convinced by it no all right well

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let's go through a couple of these bits

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and pieces here at the Barnum effect

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this is where you can say general things

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that appear to be personal yeah this

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happens a lot and this is named after

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the famous circus promoter Barnum well I

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thought it might have had something to

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do with that he said he had something

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for everybody something to please

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everybody and this happens quite a lot

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in in these so-called psychic readings

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or tarot card readings or something that

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they'll spread the cards out in front of

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you or they'll examine your star chart

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or look into the palm of your hand and

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say oh look at this line here you've got

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a really strong desire to be liked I

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feel but sometimes you feel you're

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rejected now this is something a lot of

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people can relate to of course yeah but

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if if I say if you're already a believer

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then you can say oh that's amazing yes

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yeah you're absolutely right and and on

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it goes

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and that's very interesting one to look

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up if anybody wants to Google the Barnum

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effect you can learn lots about the

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psychic readings by looking at that very

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interesting and what about the rainbow

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ruse some of this this is another

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similar one you're sitting there and

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there somebody's chatting to you they're

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looking at your palm or they say oh that

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here's the ace of swords this cards

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coming up and they look at you and you

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say they'll say something like you know

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this this tells me that you you can be

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the life of the party country you can be

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really

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interesting and people can find you

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interesting but at other times you'd

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like to be quiet and just just by

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yourself it's called the rainbow rouges

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because you just told somebody they have

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both sides of a characteristic and

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everything in between yes and the

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response you know cheeky skeptics might

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say to that is oh really do I have long

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hair and short hair too at the same time

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but one you must remember this is all

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done when this this reading is going on

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and if you're already convinced all

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these things will make sense to you and

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you will look to make things like that

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to make them fit your personality what

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you're getting out of it yeah it's

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almost like reading the star signs we

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yeah we talked last week with Tim about

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stair signs and you can read into you

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know a paragraph that's just been

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written off the top of the head or

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whatever they do and you can say oh

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that's me of course I'm about to go into

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that I'm about to make a decision it's

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funny isn't that so it's the psychology

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of it there are great books about the

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subject isn't oh the best book I've ever

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written is called the full facts book on

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cold reading and you can get that on the

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internet and it goes through it's a very

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thick book and it teaches you all about

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it it what an interesting area of

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research it is yeah it sends a - and

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what about the psyche credits love this

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this happens quite a lot because you can

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imagine somebody in my position I've

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seen many examples of psychic readings

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people being read I've gone to lots of

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live shows of psychics and things like

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this this is where the psychic will try

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to flatter you a little bit and now look

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at the palm or they'll look into your

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eyes they'll read your tea leaf so it

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that it doesn't matter that's all just

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props and they'll say oh that's

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interesting you know I think that you

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have a little bit of psychic power

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yourself did you know that is ever

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anybody ever said to you that you could

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be a little bit psychic you say yes yes

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this is very common and what they'll say

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or they'll think oh well the last

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psychic I went to also said the same

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thing so it must be true and then you

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feel a bit special imagine somebody who

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you think has psychic powers telling you

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that

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you also have these you know have hidden

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gifts or whatever yes your you're quite

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flattered by it you feel quite special

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it'll probably make you believe even

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more but it's part of the psychology of

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this whole area it's so interesting it

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really is the the grass is greener as

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they often say on the other side of the

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fence man yeah

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well this is great because this is sort

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of like another Barnum statement when

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somebody comes in for reading you tell

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them that ah

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you're a very interesting person I'm

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looking into your tarot card here or the

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palm of your hand now I know you live in

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the city but there's so many times you

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just longed to live in the country

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whatever the opposite is if they're from

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the country you might say you know you

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feel drawn to the city sometimes yes or

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another variation of this is your say to

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the person oh this is very interesting I

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can tell by this line here on your hand

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that you often wish you lived in another

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time period you've thought about it

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haven't you

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most people will not their heads me

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included it's a common thing for us to

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speculate and wonder about living in

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another time period I would have been so

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much more happier if I lived in the

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1920s or something like that and again

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the person being read will think this

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psychic is amazing how could they have

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possibly known this is very personal

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and and on it goes yeah any trick it's

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only tricks and simply I've heard this

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before just asking questions that's the

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other thing here oh absolutely now this

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is really important and it's something a

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lot of people don't realize is happening

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if they go for psychic reading most of

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the time if people if the psychic isn't

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just using Barnum statements they'll

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simply ask you Oh Deary I'm getting an

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impression now the spirits are talking

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to me who's this first those who used to

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drive the blue car they're just asking

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you a question do you know anybody in

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your your family or your history or past

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or whatever your friends who drives the

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blue car it's a straight boring question

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they're fishing so they're hoping that

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the the odds or the the Vino would pan

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out that maybe someone did have a break

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but here's the trick even if they don't

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there's lots of ways the psychic can get

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out of it they can say no but if you say

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nobody blues nobody my dad my uncles

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nobody I know drives a blue car they say

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we'll watch out for a blue car in your

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future which is very important you see

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how I just prove that I'm still psychic

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no matter what the person is of boostin

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and that trick can is many many many

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many variations but I'll just ask you

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did you have a little dog when you're

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growing up you say yes I say yes I

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thought you did I'm getting this

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impression did you have a little dog

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when you're growing up no I didn't know

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I didn't think so no matter what you say

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the psychic can twist it to make it look

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like them their psychic yeah yes yes

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funny and just talk about the blue card

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the next day the next day the person

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gets pulled up by the coppers the blue

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car can be a blue motorbike or a

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motorbike or a red car oh it did if the

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variations are amazing is that and what

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about I I know more about you than you

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do yourself oh this is a this is an

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excellent one and this is the way a

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psychic can really get out of a spot so

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if I say to somebody oh I'm here that

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the stars are telling me this or

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whatever

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ah now who who is it in your family used

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to play the piano on stage wow this is

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amazing I'm getting this very strong and

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you scratch your head thinking hard you

525
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have to look look I'm really sorry I

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nobody in my family or my grandmother's

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already doing they played the piano on

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stage and the psychic or look at the

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person say now that this is this is true

530
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they're telling me this I tell you what

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you go home and ask your mum or your

532
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family and I bet you'll find somebody

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who played the piano on stage now it

534
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looks like the psychic knows so much

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about you that you don't even know about

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this piano player and by the time you've

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gone home to check the readings over

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anyone you've paid your money so it

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doesn't matter if they played but if you

540
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do if you do go back to your parents or

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your grandmother or your aunt and uncle

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then you find some relative or some

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obscure the relation who actually did

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play the piano on stage you're

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absolutely blown away yeah but again it

546
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just doesn't

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out of the readings over you've paid

548
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your money and it appears the psychic

549
00:23:48,020 --> 00:23:45,560
knows more about you than they really do

550
00:23:49,850 --> 00:23:48,030
believable and this hot reading of

551
00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:49,860
course now I've seen this on television

552
00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:52,140
chance where the person actually has a

553
00:23:56,090 --> 00:23:54,660
bit of a staff and they can check in to

554
00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:56,100
the person about to come and have their

555
00:24:00,020 --> 00:23:58,200
arm read or whatever and they have all

556
00:24:03,550 --> 00:24:00,030
the information before they even start

557
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:03,560
yeah this doesn't happen as often as

558
00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:06,120
Phoenix would like to believe now the

559
00:24:09,530 --> 00:24:07,860
Australian skeptics have researched this

560
00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:09,540
for many years and we know that most

561
00:24:14,180 --> 00:24:12,360
people who think that this who claim to

562
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:14,190
be psychic actually think they are and

563
00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:16,260
they don't cheat in that respect then

564
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:17,700
you know they're honest upfront people

565
00:24:21,890 --> 00:24:19,170
they just happen to think that they have

566
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:21,900
magical powers right a small minority of

567
00:24:26,930 --> 00:24:24,210
people are quite happy to get

568
00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:26,940
information before the reading and then

569
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:28,910
make it look like they've got magical

570
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:32,220
sources these days a lot of information

571
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:35,220
comes from Facebook of course you can

572
00:24:39,650 --> 00:24:37,010
get a lot of information about people's

573
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:39,660
relatives or job or their likes their

574
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:43,110
dislikes of Facebook yeah some in some

575
00:24:48,020 --> 00:24:46,140
situations some situations if it's a

576
00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:48,030
live psychic show for example come

577
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:49,740
tonight and see madam acts on stage

578
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:51,770
giving live readings from the from the

579
00:24:56,780 --> 00:24:55,410
to the audience in some situations we

580
00:24:59,180 --> 00:24:56,790
know this has happened people have been

581
00:25:01,340 --> 00:24:59,190
milling around before the show or you

582
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:01,350
know in anticipation and someone will

583
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:03,690
come up and say oh I'm here to contact

584
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:05,610
my dear departed grandmother who you

585
00:25:09,470 --> 00:25:07,320
what do you hope to get out of tonight

586
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,480
and you get the chatting well sometimes

587
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:11,760
those people are agents of the psychic

588
00:25:15,620 --> 00:25:14,010
I'm a gathering information they go back

589
00:25:17,420 --> 00:25:15,630
they feel the psychic in and then the

590
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:17,430
show starts and somehow this psychic

591
00:25:23,020 --> 00:25:19,770
amazingly knows all these details oh and

592
00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:23,030
that's cool yeah don't forget I mean

593
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:26,520
there are con men and con women in all

594
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:29,730
walks of life yeah sure so you appear

595
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:31,890
here yes or no absolutely have you ever

596
00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:34,410
actually come close to someone who may

597
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,350
have some sort of mystical powers and

598
00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:39,120
all not in my experience

599
00:25:45,770 --> 00:25:42,390
but then again what I'm telling you now

600
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:45,780
is my new fraction not sure I'll just

601
00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:48,930
organics behind again yeah so when I see

602
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:52,110
one I can quickly know the process you

603
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:53,640
know it's unfolding the in front of me

604
00:25:55,940 --> 00:25:54,210
yes

605
00:25:57,410 --> 00:25:55,950
you don't know the process of course you

606
00:25:59,360 --> 00:25:57,420
won't see it you won't see that the

607
00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:59,370
connections and the interplay and the

608
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:01,080
words we've been discussing today all

609
00:26:04,910 --> 00:26:02,970
these little techniques yeah interesting

610
00:26:06,410 --> 00:26:04,920
look someone who might be heading off

611
00:26:08,750 --> 00:26:06,420
after this chat we've just had if

612
00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:08,760
they're still very bad off either into

613
00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:10,260
somewhere and then have their palm read

614
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:12,360
or service in psychic well what should

615
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:14,730
they look out for all right the the best

616
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:19,110
thing they can do is uh get the psychic

617
00:26:25,550 --> 00:26:21,510
and most will will be happy with this is

618
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:25,560
record the reading most most modern

619
00:26:29,420 --> 00:26:27,510
smartphones now have little recording

620
00:26:31,460 --> 00:26:29,430
yes as an absent thing yes just set it

621
00:26:33,230 --> 00:26:31,470
down beside you ask is it alright if I

622
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:33,240
record this and usually that's no

623
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:36,240
problem that's fine during the reading

624
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:38,820
itself try to be aware of how many

625
00:26:43,460 --> 00:26:41,820
questions the psychic is asking you now

626
00:26:46,130 --> 00:26:43,470
if there are psychic they should be

627
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:46,140
telling you things not asking you right

628
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:49,050
I mean I I anybody can sit down with me

629
00:26:52,910 --> 00:26:50,850
and I can ask them questions and gain

630
00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:52,920
information that way that's not site

631
00:26:58,670 --> 00:26:54,600
that's not psychic that's just having a

632
00:27:00,530 --> 00:26:58,680
chat so bear in mind too that you should

633
00:27:03,470 --> 00:27:00,540
get what you pay for if you're paying

634
00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:03,480
for a psychic reading then this is a

635
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,580
consumer affairs that's what you should

636
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:07,440
get you shouldn't get psychological

637
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:09,710
tricks you should get what you paid for

638
00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:12,090
the next thing to do is after it's all

639
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,260
over go home write down what you

640
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:18,000
remember without listening to the

641
00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:21,050
recording and then yeah give it a week

642
00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:24,030
just let it sit in the back in mind then

643
00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:26,520
listen to the recording and make a note

644
00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:29,310
of all the times the psychic asks

645
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:31,950
questions and all the times they have

646
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:34,710
they say something that isn't true you

647
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:37,320
don't have a an ante with an initial W

648
00:27:41,150 --> 00:27:38,580
or something like right

649
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:41,160
and yet you might start then to get a

650
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:42,720
better understanding of the psychology

651
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:45,480
and what's really going on very

652
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:47,400
interesting richardsaunders thinking

653
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:48,720
once again now people want to go to your

654
00:27:53,780 --> 00:27:50,370
site just tell us that website again

655
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:53,790
yeah it's skeptics calm today you and we

656
00:27:59,600 --> 00:27:57,360
spell it with SK not s thief of very

657
00:28:02,150 --> 00:27:59,610
long reason yes and and the exciting

658
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:02,160
news is that when you're there you can

659
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:05,130
see that our convention skeptic on is

660
00:28:09,530 --> 00:28:07,860
coming up in November and you can

661
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,540
even buy tickets for that right now

662
00:28:13,630 --> 00:28:11,760
that's the 18th and 19th of November

663
00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:13,640
here in Sydney a giant international

664
00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:15,630
skeptical convention and you had some

665
00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:17,340
people coming in obviously from right

666
00:28:21,020 --> 00:28:19,140
around the world so you think we do

667
00:28:23,060 --> 00:28:21,030
anybody but not to forget the local

668
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:23,070
stars like dr. Cole Cruz and this key is

669
00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:25,380
going to be one of our speakers oh and a

670
00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:27,870
very popular media commentator dr. Brad

671
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:29,310
McKay is going to be there and lots of

672
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:30,690
other people to be announced in the next

673
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:31,440
few months

674
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:33,510
interesting it's all there all you can

675
00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:34,710
remind us every time you come on the

676
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:35,070
program

677
00:28:46,980 --> 00:28:36,510
hey thanks Richard take it easy

678
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:46,990
[Music]

679
00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:49,370
hi this is Ben Radford and this is

680
00:28:53,169 --> 00:28:50,990
Pascual Romero from the squaring the

681
00:28:55,060 --> 00:28:53,179
strange podcast every week my co-host

682
00:28:57,460 --> 00:28:55,070
and I casts a skeptical eye on a

683
00:28:59,380 --> 00:28:57,470
different topic monsters ghosts demons

684
00:29:01,480 --> 00:28:59,390
mysteries and even current events are

685
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:01,490
dissected and discussed with a fun

686
00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:03,530
unscripted and skeptical take that

687
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:05,030
you're sure to enjoy find this is

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squaring strange calm iTunes or on your

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[Music]

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00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:16,370
[Applause]

691
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:37,080
hello skeptic zone listeners this is

692
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:38,890
susan gerbic from the guerrilla

693
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:41,410
skepticism on wikipedia project I'm

694
00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:45,070
driving to Los Angeles California from

695
00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:47,350
my home in Salinas California so I've

696
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:48,940
got about another four hour drive ahead

697
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:51,490
of me and I wanted to say hello to

698
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:53,850
everyone and give you a quick update on

699
00:30:00,570 --> 00:29:57,010
skeptic owl that was held in Berkeley

700
00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:00,580
this last Sunday a couple days ago it

701
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:02,920
was a terrific time it looked like it

702
00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:06,250
pretty much sold out probably 250 people

703
00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:08,680
were there and it was it was pretty

704
00:30:16,410 --> 00:30:11,950
pretty full it's difficult to find a

705
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:16,420
seat we had great lectures from people

706
00:30:21,390 --> 00:30:18,610
like Eugenie Scott of course all

707
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:21,400
skeptics own listeners know she talked

708
00:30:29,010 --> 00:30:25,450
about race and sort of science of race

709
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:29,020
how do we know what a race is and how is

710
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:31,570
that classified it's quite interesting I

711
00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:34,330
learned a lot we also heard from our

712
00:30:45,150 --> 00:30:38,760
decline on pornography and we had a

713
00:30:46,530 --> 00:30:45,160
great lecture by Andrew frack noid he

714
00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:46,540
talked to us about the clips that's

715
00:30:52,830 --> 00:30:49,870
going to be happening in the USA in

716
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:52,840
August I'm going to be going up to

717
00:30:59,779 --> 00:30:56,340
Oregon area to see it

718
00:31:03,080 --> 00:30:59,789
he talked to us about how to actually

719
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:03,090
look at the clips and he talked to us

720
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:06,720
about how crazy it's going to be because

721
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:09,600
the media hasn't really hyped it up yet

722
00:31:13,630 --> 00:31:11,580
but there's going to be a US postage

723
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:13,640
stamp that's coming out June 20th and

724
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:16,890
it's going to be a unique stamp that

725
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:18,690
where you touch it with your thumb it's

726
00:31:25,399 --> 00:31:21,090
going to it's going to change from a

727
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:25,409
block circle to a picture of the moon

728
00:31:30,980 --> 00:31:28,049
when you touch it and once that hits the

729
00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:30,990
media he said people are going to go

730
00:31:36,860 --> 00:31:34,020
crazy for the Eclipse so if you haven't

731
00:31:38,419 --> 00:31:36,870
already booked you probably will find

732
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,429
that you are not going to be able to

733
00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:41,039
book transportation hotels and so on

734
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:45,179
it's going to be crazy he said that the

735
00:31:48,980 --> 00:31:46,980
areas of the United States that it's

736
00:31:54,019 --> 00:31:48,990
going that the eclipse can be seen in

737
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:54,029
are mostly rural areas and people living

738
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,570
within a 100 mile path of the Eclipse

739
00:32:03,260 --> 00:31:59,580
are probably going to get up one day and

740
00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:03,270
say hey that's only 75 miles away or 50

741
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:05,460
miles away let's go and they're all

742
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:06,690
going to get in their cars and they're

743
00:32:11,260 --> 00:32:09,210
going to go towards the path of the

744
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:11,270
clips and it's going to be

745
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:14,810
crazy because there's not the roads are

746
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:19,730
not built for traveling like that the

747
00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:21,770
infrastructure is not there he says

748
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:23,390
there's not going to be enough bathrooms

749
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:27,770
and it's going to be insane so I'm

750
00:32:33,030 --> 00:32:30,770
planning and hang with friends and I

751
00:32:37,270 --> 00:32:33,040
have my hotel booked at the University

752
00:32:40,210 --> 00:32:37,280
in Oregon we're staying in dorms but

753
00:32:43,870 --> 00:32:40,220
totally really early and Pilon staying

754
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:43,880
late and pack food water and just assume

755
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:47,690
we'll be stuck in gridlock but that's

756
00:32:53,170 --> 00:32:49,310
just the way it is I want to see this

757
00:32:57,850 --> 00:32:53,180
Eclipse also at the conference in

758
00:33:02,100 --> 00:32:57,860
skeptic al we had Brian Denny and Brian

759
00:33:06,970 --> 00:33:02,110
Denny is always a joy to to listen to

760
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:06,980
his lecture this time was on waterspout

761
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:09,770
it was so much more than waterspouts as

762
00:33:15,340 --> 00:33:11,570
well it was a great science and

763
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:15,350
pseudoscience talk it felt like I was

764
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:18,340
relisting too many of his episodes and

765
00:33:24,970 --> 00:33:22,910
he tied it all up with what's the harm

766
00:33:29,020 --> 00:33:24,980
in believing in pseudoscience with

767
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:29,030
Timothy McVeigh who bombed the Oklahoma

768
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:32,150
FBI building many years ago that you

769
00:33:38,830 --> 00:33:35,090
might remember and he had a lot of

770
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:38,840
beliefs in conspiracies so fascinating

771
00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:42,799
talk as usual I love to hear Brian

772
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:46,100
Denney whenever I can in fact I'm on my

773
00:33:54,340 --> 00:33:50,210
way to Los Angeles because I'm going to

774
00:33:56,169 --> 00:33:54,350
attend Brian Denny release of the movie

775
00:34:01,539 --> 00:33:56,179
that he's been working on principles of

776
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:01,549
curiosity it is a 45 minute movie that

777
00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:04,370
will be released free of charge it's

778
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:08,139
going to have teacher notes it is

779
00:34:14,889 --> 00:34:11,030
intentionally 45 minutes so that it can

780
00:34:18,669 --> 00:34:14,899
be used in a schoolroom setting going

781
00:34:21,659 --> 00:34:18,679
back to skeptical I have uploaded to my

782
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:21,669
youtube channel susan gerbic quite a few

783
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:25,280
videos from the event if you're

784
00:34:30,190 --> 00:34:27,530
interested in seeing them they are not

785
00:34:32,349 --> 00:34:30,200
high quality but the audio is good and

786
00:34:35,830 --> 00:34:32,359
you can see the slides and it might be

787
00:34:39,570 --> 00:34:35,840
some time before the actual

788
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:39,580
skeptical comes out with the lectures so

789
00:34:42,730 --> 00:34:42,110
why don't you give my a look when you

790
00:34:45,790 --> 00:34:42,740
get a chance

791
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:45,800
it is agar Bank on YouTube and I've been

792
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:47,810
listening to quite a bit of skeptic zone

793
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:50,330
in fact I rarely ever miss a sceptic

794
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:51,770
Zone episode

795
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:54,530
I am super jealous of all ghosts of all

796
00:35:01,060 --> 00:34:56,810
the ghost tents that you all do I'm

797
00:35:04,540 --> 00:35:01,070
thrilled to vicariously listen to

798
00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:04,550
Richard and crew go to skeptics in the

799
00:35:10,810 --> 00:35:07,220
pub in Sydney as well as to different

800
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:10,820
venues the mind body wallet is always

801
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:13,770
one of my favourite

802
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:16,650
event that might get to go through and

803
00:35:24,980 --> 00:35:19,890
attend with you all so from Salinas

804
00:35:29,470 --> 00:35:24,990
California on route to LA i am susan

805
00:35:32,220 --> 00:35:29,480
gerbic and i hope to see you all soon

806
00:35:38,970 --> 00:35:32,230
thank

807
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:38,980
[Music]

808
00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:43,290
Brian Dunning buildin skeptoid ah Brian

809
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:46,150
what do you think what am I thinking I'm

810
00:35:50,910 --> 00:35:48,609
thinking this is a great night I was so

811
00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:50,920
pleased at the reactions in the ground

812
00:35:54,780 --> 00:35:52,780
just like on

813
00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:54,790
I've been stretched so thin and filled

814
00:35:58,079 --> 00:35:56,470
in so many directions and having it all

815
00:36:00,540 --> 00:35:58,089
come together tonight and it just worked

816
00:36:03,140 --> 00:36:00,550
and iterate and people seem to enjoy it

817
00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:03,150
I've just I'm just so thrilled

818
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:05,190
I have nothing to say because my brain

819
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:09,330
is so exploded Brian hark what did you

820
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think I thought it was great

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again a weird Ross production values

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were excellent the high-definition the

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Aero footage the drone shots and

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beautiful and the script was really

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tight nice height 40 minutes of

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skepticism grandma go to the three C's

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challenge challenge

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see you later and then conclusion

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conclusion we got see we learned thank

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to watch the movie and download the

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educational notes head for principles of

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[Music]

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the wait is over tickets are now

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available for skeptic on the 2017

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Australian skeptics National Convention

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The Skeptical

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highlight of the year our 33rd

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convention is being organized by

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thinking and will be held on November

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the 18th and 19th 2017 at the city

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recital hall angel place Sydney this

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promises to be a great event with

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speakers including science media star

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dr. Carl puzzle mosquito course

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astronomer Alan Duffy YouTube super

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debunker captain disillusion comedian

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and MC Lawrence lung former naturopath

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and now critic of altmed Britt Hermes

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doctor and TV personality dr. Brad Makai

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award-winning documentary maker Sonja

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Pemberton Walkley award winning

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journalist cathy marks and dr. Kerr

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magician doctor veeram sharma more great

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speakers will be announced soon as well

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as news of the convention dinner on the

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night of Saturday the 18th of November

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single day and full weekend tickets are

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available skeptic on Australia org

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a you

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you

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zone now on the next show I hope to

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bring you some interviews from

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California from San Francisco I might

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even be able to score an interview with

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my dear friend Eugenie Scott and

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possibly I hope to find myself at the

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Exploratorium

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in in San Francisco and we'll see what

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we can do about that but now it's time

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for me not to run downstairs anymore I'm

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going to run to bed that's it lights out

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bedtime and try to rest up for my flight

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tomorrow and until next week this is

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Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

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Australia you've been listening to the

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